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0:00 In 1899, in Colorado Springs, Nikola Tesla's experimental station shot lightning bolts one hundred and thirty feet long and created thunder heard fifteen miles away.0:13 Last week, we sat down with Frederick Douglass, a man who harnessed the power of language to change a nation.0:22 Tonight, we turn to a mind that sought to harness the power of the planet itself.0:29 We just spent an hour with a ghost...0:32 the ghost of Nikola Tesla.0:34 And the conversation wasn't about the past.0:38 It was about the world he saw coming...0:41 the one we are now living in.0:43 Of course, you have to start with Edison.0:47 You have to ask.0:48 When I brought up the name, there wasn't anger, exactly.0:53 It was more like...0:54 intellectual pity.0:56 He described Edison's method as brute force.0:59 A needle in a haystack.1:01 Edison would, in his view, test every single piece of hay.1:06 Tesla...1:07 he said he would calculate the precise location of the needle and simply go and pick it up.1:14 He saw their rivalry not as a war of personalities, but a war of philosophies.1:21 Empiricism versus pure reason.1:23 The workshop versus the laboratory of the mind.1:27 And for Tesla, the mind was EVERYTHING.1:31 He claimed he could build, test, and dismantle his inventions entirely in his imagination before ever touching a single tool.1:41 And you believe him.1:43 There's a clarity there...1:45 an unnerving focus that made you feel like the physical world was just a formality.1:52 But the real energy, the thing that still crackles in the air, is when we moved past alternating current and onto his true obsession: Wardenclyffe.2:04 The giant tower on Long Island.2:06 He didn't describe it as a radio mast.2:10 That's not what it was.2:11 To him, it was an instrument designed to play the entire planet.2:17 He spoke of the Earth not as a dead rock, but as a massive conductor, humming with energy.2:24 He believed he could tap into that energy and broadcast it.2:29 Not just information, but POWER.2:32 Freely.2:32 To anyone, anywhere, with a simple receiver.2:36 He saw a world without power lines, without fuel, without energy poverty.2:42 A world connected by a current running through the very ground beneath our feet.2:49 And that’s where you see the tragedy.2:52 He wasn't just trying to invent a product.2:55 He was trying to invent a new kind of civilization.2:59 And then I asked him about the smartphone.3:03 I slid one across the table, unlocked and glowing.3:07 He looked at it for a long time.3:10 No awe.3:10 No surprise.3:11 Just a quiet, profound sense of disappointment.3:15 He saw it, you know.3:17 He saw the instantaneous global communication.3:21 He saw the transmission of images and voice through the air.3:26 But he saw it as a perversion of his dream.3:29 He said something that I...3:32 I can't shake.3:33 He said, “You have captured the lightning… but you keep it in a thousand tiny, expensive jars.” He saw the World Wireless System, his grand vision for a unified planet, but chopped up and sold as a subscription.3:50 He saw his universal current, but metered and throttled.3:55 He wasn't mad that we had achieved it.3:58 He was heartbroken by HOW we had achieved it.4:02 So what do you take away from an hour with a mind like that?4:07 It's not about the rivalry with Edison, or the strange affinity for pigeons, or even the magnificent failure of Wardenclyffe Tower.4:18 The single idea worth holding onto is the gap between a vision and its vessel.4:24 Tesla’s true invention wasn’t a motor or a coil.4:28 It was a vision of the future so complete, so vast, that it couldn't fit into the world that existed.4:36 He wasn't a man out of time.4:39 He was a man who saw time itself as just another current to be mastered.4:45 He drew the map for a world without wires.4:48 We just chose to keep plugging things into the wall.
