About this episode In this compelling series, we delve into the shocking details of high-profile corporate fraud and white-collar scandals, revealing how deception, greed, and negligence led to dramatic collapses. Each episode uncovers the intricate web of deception, exposes who was in the know, and traces the money trail to expose the full story behind these financial disasters. Listen to investigative narratives that shed light on the hidden truths behind corporate downfall and the lessons they hold for regulators, investors, and the public.
0:00 Three-point-five million.0:01 That’s how many fake bank and credit card accounts Wells Fargo employees eventually admitted to creating in their customers' names, without permission.0:12 Last week, we examined how Volkswagen’s engineers wrote software to deliberately cheat emissions tests.0:19 This week, you’ll see what happens when the pressure to cheat isn’t coded into a machine, but into the people who run it.0:28 The story of the collapse begins with a simple, almost folksy goal from the top.0:34 The bank’s leadership called it “Going for Gr-eight.” The idea was to get every single customer to use eight different Wells Fargo products.0:44 It sounded like good business — deep customer relationships.0:48 But the reality inside the bank was a high-pressure sales furnace.0:53 Employees, from tellers to personal bankers, were given daily, even hourly, quotas for opening new accounts.1:00 If you missed your quota, you were told in no uncertain terms that your job was on the line.1:07 Managers would track progress on whiteboards for everyone to see.1:12 Employees who fell behind were forced to stay late, making cold calls.1:17 Those who succeeded were celebrated.1:19 Those who failed were humiliated, and then fired.1:23 So, what do you do when your job depends on hitting an impossible number?1:28 You find a shortcut.1:29 Employees started using the vast trove of customer data they had access to.1:35 A name, a social security number, a signature on file for a legitimate checking account.1:41 They used that information to open new accounts customers never asked for.1:46 They created fake email addresses to enroll people in online banking.1:51 They ordered credit cards and had them sent to the customer’s address, hoping they wouldn't notice or would just assume it was a mistake.2:01 To make these phantom accounts look real, employees would transfer small amounts of money from a customer's legitimate account into the new, fake one.2:12 This movement would often trigger service fees or overdraft charges on accounts the customer didn't even know they HAD.2:20 The bank made money.2:22 The employee kept their job for another day.2:25 The customer paid the price.2:27 Who benefits, and who loses?2:29 The employees were losing.2:31 Between 2011 and 2016, Wells Fargo fired fifty-three hundred employees for this exact misconduct.2:38 Now, here's the turn.2:39 When you fire over five thousand people for the same infraction, you don't have an employee problem.2:46 You have a management problem.2:48 The executive in charge of the division where the fraud was rampant was Carrie Tolstedt.2:55 She was celebrated internally for its incredible growth, earning her millions in bonuses.3:01 The CEO, John Stumpf, consistently praised this high-pressure sales culture as the core of the bank's success.3:09 The incentive for executives was clear: the more accounts opened, the higher the stock price, and the bigger their own paychecks.3:18 They either didn't see the fraud, or they didn't want to.3:22 The scheme finally unraveled when a series of articles in the Los Angeles Times, fueled by whistleblowers, caught the attention of regulators.3:32 In September 2016, the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, along with other agencies, hit Wells Fargo with a one-hundred-and-eighty-five million dollar fine.3:44 John Stumpf was called before Congress, where he was publicly dismantled for his lack of accountability.3:51 He soon resigned, forfeiting over forty million dollars in compensation.3:56 Carrie Tolstedt, who had already retired, had sixty-seven million clawed back.4:02 But what about the fifty-three hundred low-level employees who were fired?4:07 They were the first to go, the easiest to blame.4:11 They lost their livelihoods for acting on the incentives their bosses created.4:16 So what does it all add up to?4:18 Billions in further fines.4:20 A consent decree from the Federal Reserve that capped the bank's size, a punishment unheard of for an institution of its scale.4:29 And a reputation that may never fully recover.4:32 The people who lost were the customers charged for things they never bought, and the employees forced into an impossible choice.4:42 For a long time, the people who won were the executives at the very top.4:47 The system wasn't broken.4:49 It was working exactly as it was designed.
